* I have debated for days wether to post this or not and I finally decided… If I’m going to take writing seriously, I should be open to both positive and negative feed back.
(This is all based on what I have personally seen and experienced, no formal study has been conducted)
Where do I begin?
I was out last week with a High School friend catching up and having dinner, when out of the blue he started venting about how he doesn’t think he could ever marry a spoilt Egyptian girl. Once the flood gates were opened there was no stopping him. I was amused and relieved that someone else shared my opinion and I actually agree with everything he had to say.
*N.B* Please keep in mind that I am not generalizing, there are many who are not like the people we are referring to. As always there are many exceptions to the rules.
Let me try and paint you a picture of the kind of people he was referring to;
First the Egyptian Woman,
The majority of Middle Class and rich Egyptian girls (with exceptions of course) who are pampered and spoilt. They have never had to wash a glass, make themselves something to eat, wash laundry, fill a dish washer, go grocery shopping, wipe a counter, make their bed or vacuum their bedroom floor. They have everything done for them and handed to them on a silver platter. They wake up when most of us have been up for a few hours and are already at work. They spend most of the day on the phone and worrying about their physical appearance and if their clothes are in fashion. Their sole purpose in life seems to be finding a husband and the richer the better. Once that has been accomplished their next job is to produce a son and heir to the fortune. To make sure her husband isn’t going to be snatched away from her, she hires nannies and maids to look after the children and the house while she is hooked on to her husband’s arm all the time looking like a glamorous Barbie doll.
The Egyptian Man;
The men of most of the wealthy families are just as bad. They work for Daddy’s company, they are late arriving to work and early to leave. They drive around in a full option expensive car bought for them after graduating from University, wear the latest Rolex, talk on the most expensive phone on the market and can only be seen in designer clothing. After a couple of hours of showing his face at the office he either goes home for lunch and a nap or heads to the gym to work out and fraternize with people from his social circle and frame of thought, (That’s what he gets paid to do) .Then later goes out clubbing or to an ‘ehwa’ (cafe). They spoil their girlfriends with gifts and expensive dinners and outings and control them from whom they speak to, where they go and what they can wear.
Why do most of these people get married in Egypt? Well there are a few reasons why.
1- The women think that if they get married they will be free of their parents control and can run their households they way they want. Plus their mother’s have painted a fairytale image of what married life is like. They fail to mention that being married takes hard work and it’s a partnership. All they focus on is the wedding day party not what comes after it. To shatter their dreams even more, they dont’ work, so their parents give them an allowance, so financially they are still under their control.
2- The Gents like most look for a Stepford looking wife, who will be nice to parade around on their arm. Another reason why they chose to get married is because as my friend so aptly put it, they are ‘horny’.
3- Most of the time, it’s a business arrangement between to families to increase their wealth and form a partnership. It’s very reminiscent of the royals and forming alliances through matrimony.
THE ENGAGEMENT & WEDDING
When a couple decides to get engaged this is no simple affair, both families become involved. The grooms family have to formally go to the brides house and ask for her hand in marriage. If the father of the bride agrees then the business talks begin. These discussions revolve around ; how simple or big of an engagement party there will be, the price range or how many carats the shabka they expect the daughter to have (3 rings, wedding band, diamond solitaire and diamond eternity ring), the size and location of the apartment or villa, Mahr is how much the grooms family is willing to pay to decorate the home along with all the electronics, how much the bride’s family need to pay to furnish the house, when and where the wedding will be and how big the wedding party will be and finally the wedding dress (the groom has to pay for that too). If everything is settled then they read the FATIHA a soura, (verse) from the Quraan (the holy book in Islam) that indictates they are promised to one another. From there is ‘TELBEES EL DIBEL’, the wearing of the rings or bands to indicate they are officially engaged. Then there is the KATB EL KITAB, (literal translation is signing of the book) which is signing of the mariage certificate where the couple become legally husband and wife, but are not allowed to live with one another until after the wedding celebration.
A lot of these marriages from what my friend and I have seen don’t end blissfully. Many get divorced a couple of months after their honeymoon. Why ? because the men want a modern-day thinking wife but who will behave like the traditional woman, stay home, cook clean and look after their children. While the princesses don’t know how to do that and he women expect to be waited on hand and foot and cajoled and adored all the time.
The marriages that don’t end in divorce; the wife either accompanies her husband on all his business trips and social outings to ensure that her man is steered clear from temptation or she leads a life of high society socializing, while the children are left at home and raised by the Philippino Nannies and chauffeured around by their drivers. Their children are starved for their parents quality time, discipline and affection but instead of getting that time they are compensated with ‘things’. Hence the Breeding of more spoilt brats!
These children grow very dependent on the help and have everything done for them! They don’t even get up to go to the kitchen to get their own glass of water, they holler for the hired help to come, take their order and then bring it to them. They aren’t taught how to tie their own shoe laces, pack their own school bags, tidy up their rooms and to put their dirty clothes in a hamper. To teach these children to be responsible falls on the shoulders of their teachers.
It’s a vicious cycle and it needs to be corrected before the damage is irreversible.
‘Do you know what I have a big problem with? Having to get the girl diamond rings with my father’s money, that is so wrong, it should be what I am able to afford’ my friend complained.
Another friend of mine was in the midst of getting engaged and told the brides family that he would be able to purchase 1.5 carat pure diamond ring with a certificate. Her family didn’t approve they wanted a 3 carat ring so that she wouldn’t have a ring of less value than her sisters. When he said he couldn’t they said if it wasn’t a pure ring and if it had some faults in it that would be ok, just as long as it was a 3 karat ring. He said he wouldn’t be able to marry her.
(here are two guys who think the same way)
My friend that I had dinner with also expressed that he doesn’t want to be married or live with someone who can’t look herself. He would like to have someone to share the house hold responsibilities with and not have a live in maid who will do everything! ‘ I don’t mind someone coming to help 2-3 days a week, that is fine but not have someone at your beck and call 24 hours a day.’
Another thing that he can’t stand are the girls getting all dressed up and parading around in heels with a face full of make up just to go to the mall, cinema and the sporting club. ‘What’s wrong with flats and dressing casually?’
‘My kids will be disciplined and taught to tidy up their rooms, make their beds and put their clothes away. When they are old enough they will have weekend and summer jobs so that they know the value of hard-earned money. I don’t want lazy ass kids’
I text him to tell him he had inspired me to write this, in his response he laughed and said he has more venting to do.
I would like to be with or marry a man who can take care of himself and who can stand on his own two feet without hanging on to his parent’s coat tails. I would hate to be under the dictatorship of his or my family for being dependent on them financially. I admire and respect men who work hard, earns their own money and is ambitious ESPECIALLY if he is from a wealthy family. To see him work hard at his trade like he needs the money, when he actually doesn’t gives me a strange sense of peace. If a man can cook, do laundry and clean occasionally without running back home to mummy, that would be an added bonus that I would be VERY grateful for. Alas, I have had no luck thus far and still remain an independent bachelorette. A 32-year-old female who is single in the Middle East means that she has past her expiry date.
Plus being an independent career driven, free thinking female doesn’t go down very well with most of the men here. Why you ask? Well, It’s because they know that I am not a puppet and if they try to pull my strings and force me to do their bidding, they know damn well that I will not put up with it.
I will remain a spinster until I find someone worthy of my time, companionship and my affections.

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April 13, 2010 at 08:13
Magdi
Hallelujah!!! At last it has been blurted out! Add a third one to both your thoughts! It is as if you took the owrds right out of my mouth! Bravo!
Exactly my thoughts, thankfully, I was luckier and more fortuunate than you and was blessed with a wife that anything but spoiled. We laugh at those you refer to and mock their miserable lives! Keep the post comin!
April 13, 2010 at 08:46
Don Liston
I enjoy reading all of your posts here. This one is very informative and I am well past the expiration date also. I am 80 now and not in the competition nor would I be. I have lived alone for a very long time and do everything for myself. That means that my house is in constant, relentless disorder because I teach people around the world English at university level.
One factor that also keeps me out of the mix if I ever thought of joining in is the fact that I live in a cold, isolated place called Alaska. I have a great house but there are simply no people here that do housework. I am in a large forested area surrounded by bears, moose, wolves, coyotes, etc. We do NOT have any reptiles or amphibians or very many insects. I have been her for 48 years and have no plans to change.
When I go to Cairo I see all of the people that you describe, but I also see a society that, aside from the terrible waste management problem are very traditional people They alwasy treat older people with great respect.
They also drive like idiots but, to their credit almost all of the drivers here seem to be sober.
It would be easy for an American to criticize other societies but I prefer to look at what has been done so far. The eleveated freeways, as well as the Autostrad make traffic much safer.
And there is the FOOD! I brought back recipes for koshari and learned to make it here. We have almost NO Arabs in my state but we don’t have many foreigners at all. We are also very short on women but that is the easiest to explain of all. For some reason, women don’t enjoy walking and driving on ice for over four months each year and many don’t like being cold.
Of course our men solve that problem by wrapping them in a mink or marten coat when they go out.
When I come to Egypt I enjoy all of it. When I come home, I miss Egypt!
And as a snowbird’s nest, it is one of the best.
April 14, 2010 at 15:05
irishalexandrian3109
I’m glad you enjoy reading my posts Don. I equally enjoy reading your comments to them. Well, if you ever decided to take an Egyptian bride Don, she might think twice about moving to Alaska where the climate is A LOT COLDER than she is used to, but if you dangle a mink coat infront of her, she may seriously consider the move.
May 6, 2013 at 22:02
TareX
Alaska’s actually a beautiful place to live in, and no where near as cold as most Canadian cities. On average, Juneau is warmer than most Ontario cities all year long. I’m glad you’ve enjoyed your stays in Egypt, Don, and actually the lack of good Koshari is something universal to North America -not just Alaska. The secret ingredient lies in the sauce, which nobody seems to figure out in the US/Canada. They just think it’s tomato sauce. Also, the type of macaroni and its texture is a huge deal. Finally, the lentils should never be cooked with the rice which is a rookie mistake most Koshari vendors commit in North America.
About the article, we must be in different circles, because well while the Egyptian girl model is probably more accurate (largely because girls never live independently till they’re married), the men’s is less so. Who actually works for his Dad? Not in the circles in my profession (medicine), but I imagine for entrepreneurs, that’s probably the norm.
April 17, 2010 at 18:35
Fruitcakegirl
Room on the spinster couch for one more? I don’t think I need to name the people I had in mind when I read this, suffice to say ‘what’s happened to a decent work ethic?’
June 2, 2010 at 11:16
WME
Its quite remarkable how you described many of the ups and downs with marriages in Egypt. Maybe for a future project you can do a quick guide on how to choose your lifetime partner, and more importantly how to make it work. I especially enjoyed the first part where you clearly explained the process of getting married, very informative; I could never understand it thought, similar to baseball, I enjoy watching the games but never understood the rules no matter how many times I watch it or even when I had a chance to play it with friends. It could be very true some of things mentioned, for example, how traditions, family, social status, among others play a great role in the success and failure of relationships.
I also enjoyed the part about how to properly raise children, how to help them become independent and productive members of the community. But I have to disagree about your views on family guidance and what you call dictatorship. It never hurts to listen to your parents sometimes and ask for their advice, since wisdom is only a product of experience and knowledge which can only come with time. Who else would like to see you happy more than your parents? Nevertheless, each one of us has their own views on life and what makes them happy, so again its a fine line between being careful about what you do and having no personality or say into anything but what is being told from you to do.
I liked the work used when you described marriage as a form of partnership, since I believe if we are blessed it shall be the best venture one can hope for, since its a long journey full of ups and downs and with the right partner it all works out to the best. However, I think we lack in Egypt especially, the knowledge of how to communicate our fears, worries, desires, dreams, etc. Also, the conservative community aspect doesn’t allow for much room to discuss and explore many of the problems and how to solve them while respecting each other values. Similar to crisis management which on the political and social level we as Egyptians were never really exposed and trained to the concept, and again lies many of the issues mentioned in your article.
If you like to have someone proof read your articles before posting them, I would be more than happy to help you. Keep the faith since we never have a clue about what the future holds.
June 2, 2010 at 16:01
irishalexandrian3109
WME, thanks for stopping by.
The ordeal of getting married here can be very confussing and stressful.
I agree parent’s advice should be taken, but they should ‘dictate’ whom you should be married to. Many of those marriages are dictated because the parent’s financially control their lives even after they are married.
A for the proof reading!!! Akh…that’s another headache! I write what I want to post on word and check it. Then I check it on wordpress too!!!
I may take you up on the offer WME, Thanks!
June 10, 2010 at 05:32
TareX
Truer words have never been spoken.
You’ve summarized my biggest fears in the woman I’d marry. I have seen -first hand- the “wealthier the better” idea govern girls choices, and have also seen the stark difference in youths’ independence -both girls and boys- in Egypt compared to the West. The problem is getting even worse with every generation and it’s becoming more and more of a ‘sound’ belief that a good phone call is the best life qualification someone would ever need.
I would love to be the husband who spoils his wife, not because she demands it, not because she would be a mess if I didn’t, but because I want to make her happy, and want to earn her appreciation. I see no way wanting to do that if I have no respect for her intellect, capabilities and principles, which will probably pass along to my children.
March 5, 2012 at 10:42
telefonsexch
Your blog is well done and I enjoyed reading this post.
March 7, 2012 at 12:48
irishalexandrian3109
Thank you, I’m glad you enjoyed reading the post. I hope you’ll come back and visit to read newer posts in the futur =)
May 5, 2013 at 10:13
Tree
Wow…seriously ? was that really happens in real ? I dont know alot about Arabs or egyptian life n marriage . just heard a little bit, but after reads this article…maybe what i heard was right, even i believe , not all of them are same like what peoples were saying about cos different people have diffferent minds n ways to have a deal with marriage n life..any way thanks a lot